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Friday, January 07, 2011

The Man Cave. . . and parenting reminders for me!

 It's started. Organized sports. I've missed it the last month and a half and what have I missed? Well, if my boys aren't playing a sport they don't go to bed early. In fact, it's amazing if their room is hushed by midnight. Oh, the lack of discipline some might say? Well, then so it is.

There are four boys in a room and basically on one large queen mattress. We can still do all four boys on one mattress if everyone sleeps sideways. . . plus, Shelton sleep walks so much still that he never ends up in his room in the morning anyway. We don't do beds because bedposts and anything of the such around mattresses where lots of boys live has historically been proven at our house to cause head injuries and expensive ER visits.

"Four little monkeys jumpin' on the bed, one fell off and broke his. . . " you know the song.

We have fun at our house. We kind of have a bed time.

We use to be pretty strict about it when we started being parents. We did a lot of things at the beginning. We read the books. We thought everyone who said they knew about parenting would be smarter than us about knowing what our kids needed. We thought those who had been parents for along time must have all the facts.

Wow. We were beginners takin' it all in from the "pros." I even did the strict feeding stuff with my first baby. Second baby I did half scheduling and half flexibility - what that means is you try doing the strict feeding but let's be realistic here, I had a toddler to take care of then too so scheduling kind of went out the window. People, don't fool yourself, you won't ruin a baby or kid if you don't do all the little things just so.

Third baby I threw out the whole schedule feedings. I had three in about three years and I was just keeping my head hardly above water. You know what? It made no difference. All slept well at night by 8 weeks. Guess that's why we kept having more? All were peaceful and happy . . . and highly energetic.

I tried three different systems, three different books - ha, all with the same result. So now I'm not a system person obviously. I don't preach systems. I typically chunk them.

Including bedtimes. We haven't completely lost vision, promise. We didn't throw the baby out with the bath water. We just enjoy the baby more than the bath water now.

A lot of times we can get so involved in some system of child rearing that we forget our little kiddos aren't projects, but people. The end result of our parenting is not to make sure they make us look good in church, or somehow make us a "success." Our children are hearts and souls who need relationship without us checking off a check list or matching them to books, seminars and people who tell us how it all should be done.

They are all different. Discipline is good. It has benefits. It's good for children to know there are boundaries, goals, direction, vision. That you are the mom, not them - which by the way, that does come to an end too - there really is an age you must claim they are an adult and you need to step OUT. And that's not age 30.

But there is more to parenting then teaching little 12 month olds to sit on a blanket and play quietly for an hour. More to making sure they can sit through the church service at a young age so that you can be praised as a spiritual parent. There is more to parenting then making sure your little one somehow sleeps through the night be a certain age or is potty trained before they turn two, sign languages please by the time they are six months and can read by the time they are three.

Now, granted some folks have kids who do all the above. Some of my kids did a few of those things too, despite me ha! But it won't make them better adults. It won't make them better teenagers. And if your kid is perfect, they can't play with mine LOL!

'Cause I'm not after kids with perfection. I'm after kids who know they have a need for Jesus and have witnessed the failures of their mom and dad and watched their parents humble themselves and be honest with their need for a Savior as well.

God doesn't call us to be parents who have it all together. He calls us to be parents who humbly confess we don't, but we know where to go to find the source of our power in life: Jesus Christ. That's the bottom line to parenting - relationship with God, drawing near and holding fast to our Guide and Savior.

Our kids will know the difference. They will know whether we worship ourselves and thus carve on them to make them what we want them to be (just like in the Old Testament when an idol was carved because the children of Israel didn't believe God was enough).

And they will know whether we love them more, or the bedtime schedule. Whether we love them more, or making sure they don't make us look bad on the basketball team. Whether we love them, or being that perfect parent who does it all "right."

If a child is loved, loved for who they are and not what they can do or be for us, they will know it. No matter what system we have or select, if our heart is idolatrous towards our kids, it's not going to work in the long run.

:)

All that to say - we put the kids in bed generally around 8 to 9pm. Give or take a little and depending on the sports season and depending on the week and depending on the sun going down, depending on how late I get supper on the table and showers are done and the Bible has been read and teeth have been brushed. Ok, you get the point. Robert calls us flexibly organized. Whatever that means.

It works for us. So the boys are in the their room and the light is off, but trust me, if they aren't playing a sport that season they will stay up and sing and sing, talk, talk, talk, talk. . . I grew up believing girls were the talkers. It's not the case at our house. Not at all.

My girls get in bed. They are quiet. They snuggle down. They have their bedtime story, little song about being God's little lamb, a prayer and I give them a few minutes and I peek in and they are all sweetly sleeping.

Not so with the boys. It seems there is constant fires in that room. Constant emergencies. Constant excuses, though not disrespectful) why it's so hard to go to sleep. It's hot. No, it's cold. It's too crowded or so and so doesn't like me because he is sleeping so far away. So and so tackled so and so and the wrestling match is now at US Olympic level. Then there are nights where they can't stop laughing. It's jr. high humor now and as much as I thought I would never tolerate that type of stuff. . .

Ha.
But sometimes it's just funny - or maybe I've digressed in my older age! It's gotten to the point most nights where the smell in their room is so great I have to hold my nose, peek my head in and blow kisses from the door. It's mostly smelly shoes - with a host of other smells. Honestly, just upfront about it, no one told me that to have boys meant purchasing a high quality gas mask.

One night I walked in to say goodnight with a clothes pin on my nose. I acted like it wasn't there, talked with them, kissed them goodnight, rubbed their backs. The boys thought it was hilarious.

There is a sign that Shelton put up in their room and it says, "The Man Cave." And that is what it is. I will venture in as long as I can, even if it means wearing a clothes pin to survive.

I adore seasonal sports. I bring them home, they go to bed. They actually fall asleep. Yes, there is a element I really enjoy about their all night stay ups of talking, laughing, joking, and story telling. . . but there is also something amazing about walking in to their bedroom by 10pm and not one boy is giving me a reason why he just has too much energy to fall asleep.

Yeah for boys. Yeah for sports. Yeah for their abundant energy. Yeah for bedtime. One day all too soon "The Man Cave" won't be. Maybe I'll still have that sign and I'll put it up somewhere for reminders. . . and I'll miss the smell of jr. high boys because that's them right now and I love everything about them.

Let the basketball begin!





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well said
Posted 1/7/2011 10:59 AM by ugotafriend - recommend - reply

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Whew! It's such a relief to know that we are not the only ones who are "flexibly organized." Your line about bedtime depending on…dinner, showers, etc. is exactly where we're at! I was also convicted because last night, when my oldest got out of bed, again, to come talk to me, I yelled at her to stay in her bed. She walked away with such a dejected look on her face. I think I may have missed a precious time with her. Sad. Anyway, I appreciated this post very much!
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Ok, I'm not sure what those pictures are at the bottom of my comment. I didn't put them there and I don't know how to get them off! So sorry!
Posted 1/7/2011 11:09 AM by leasejw - recommend - reply

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I like Robert's "flexibly organized." I am not a parent, but I look forward to the joys and the challenges. I had been a Family and Consumer Science teacher for a few years. We teach a number of courses that truly focus on a student-centered learning environment. I learned that I had to accept "organized chaos." That is what we called it. We had a lesson plan, just like math teachers, science teachers, English teachers... we just had to get the guts to "let it go" when necessary. We definitely did not have a traditional classroom. As a student teacher I was scared to death of this idea. My voice would literally shake - probably body parts, too - when the class would venture to make of the lesson as they wanted... but then I started to grow and understand that if they are learning, so be it.


I had to give up teaching for the time being - the economy just wasn't making it completely possible for me. I was saddened, but then later reminded, that I will have children and I will get to teach them!


You have inspired me in many ways. Recently, I have explored the idea of home-schooling my future (and hopeful) children. I prayed about it and presented the idea to my boyfriend. His first reaction was how I expected; our children would be social freaks that would be incompetent of human communication. *roll eyes here* ha. Isn't that a stereotype and a half! I explained to him the outcomes I wanted from home-schooling our children. It is something we are thinking about, and still have a few years to determine, but I definitely thank you for leading me to this consideration.


God Bless...     

Posted 1/7/2011 11:11 AM by ecstatic_tranquility - recommend - reply

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Ha! Our kids do the same thing at bedtime. Rule is, they have to be in bed, but some of 'em will be asleep before a story's read to them and the others will talk for hours sometimes. As long as they're in bed and not noisy, we don't make a big deal about when they actually fall asleep.
On a different note, though, the teen odor can be helped (somewhat) by modern technology. These new sports shirts that are all the rage (Under Armor is the biggest name brand, but even WalMart sells them under the Starter brand now) had a problem with retaining odor really badly when they first came out. They solved the problem by embedding them with silver or some derivative of it (I think it's a lot like the colloidal silver some people take for stomach bugs)that kills the bacteria that causes sweat to stink. Anyway, these shirts dramatically reduce body odor. They're not terribly cheap, but my wife finds them at the local consignment shop and as I mentioned before, at WalMart for around 10 bucks. Luckily (on that front at least) I have only one son.
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Oh how I wish I would have sought God for wisdom in parenting instead of the many parenting books I've read. Would have saved me a lot of misery - I've not been a very happy mom with my children because I've tried to follow all the "rules" of parenting. And, my children haven't enjoyed childhood as much as they could have because I've been soo strict :( Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts today - spoke volumes to me about relaxing and enjoying each moment with my children. I see an abundance of joy in your home, your children and that inspires me.
Posted 1/7/2011 11:39 AM by wj3km - recommend - reply

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I LOVED this post. Thank you for posting it!
Posted 1/7/2011 12:06 PM by allthosemillers Xanga Premium Member - recommend - reply

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My husband & I are still in the beginning stages of our parenthood journey and I love reading your perspective on parenting and all the tips/suggestions/advice/experience I see on here.  This is what we've been thinking about lately...'The end result of our parenting is not to make sure they make us look good in church, or somehow make us a "success."'  My husband said recently that so many parents are raising their children to be good, but not Godly.  I love seeing your desire to live a Godly life and to raise your children in a God-honoring way.  Thank-you!
Posted 1/7/2011 12:21 PM by SherriMonCheri - recommend - reply

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I have always loved your blog posts, but never commented before, I do a lot of lurking =) I just had to say that I love your header, your kids are so beautiful, and I can tell you all are enjoying them to pieces! Love this, how true and well written! My son is enjoying basketball as well,I really enjoy watching him out there on the court, whether he makes the basket or not ;)
Posted 1/7/2011 1:40 PM by heidirhodes - recommend - reply

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I think this post should go down as a classic in your blog history. Excellent thoughts on parenting; the remark about how all "those things" won't produce better adults especially resonated with me, from personal observations over time.

Much love! ~A.
Posted 1/7/2011 1:41 PM by angiearmour - recommend - reply

I've never commented on your blog before, although I've been following you for about two years - isn't that pitiful? :P I just graduated from high school and was homeschooled all my life. Your kids are a lot like me at that age, actually. I really love getting to hear the other side of the story and once I have my own kids I'm sure I will appreciate your openness and deep honesty even more.

So please keep on at all you're doing and know that I (with plenty of others I'm sure) get great delight and encouragement from your posts.
Posted 1/7/2011 2:10 PM by Virginia (site) - recommend - reply

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Anne, my husband and I are still laughing! I loved your post! You guys are not alone in your thinking... Though I know you really don't care!! Lol!
Blessings on your family!
Sheila
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Anne, my husband and I are still laughing! I loved your post! You guys are not alone in your thinking... Though I know you really don't care!! Lol!
Blessings on your family!
Sheila
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This might be my favorite post love it in so many ways!!!
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Oh, such candid honesty. Thank you, Alyssa!
The children do see whether or not we love them
more than the "rules", don't they!

Yes, this post is a classic.
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Totally agree!  We are flexible here, too.  We train our children but we're not doing it for any other reason than to make them enjoyable to be with (to glorify God, of course)....

Posted 1/7/2011 6:12 PM by purpleamethyst76 - recommend - reply

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This post made me cry...it was SUCH an encouragement to me! I feel like such a failure most of the time because my kids aren't like the other kids, but I know they don't have to be.  I love them for who THEY are, and I love the times we have together just being us.  Many times we shoot for 8pm bedtimes, and we're still hearing them after midnight.  I too have sent a little one back with a command to stay in her bed.  I fear I have missed many precious moments trying to be the "perfect" parent.  I never read the books or followed the schedules when my babies were little, and I think they have turned out just fine.  They are precious, and I adore them just like they are.  I hope it's ok to copy this post just so I can read it again when I need to.  I'd also like to link to it on my blog.  I have friends who I'm sure would love to read this too.  Thanks so much for sharing this with us...it was a great help to me!
Posted 1/7/2011 7:21 PM by madparmors Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

Thank you so much for this sweet reminder. I am a 36 year old stay at home wife, mother of three boys, we homeschool and my oldest is a senoir this year. Cherish these times...they are truly gone before you know it:)
Posted 1/7/2011 7:37 PM by Joy - recommend - reply

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I only ever read one book when I had my first child, my first boy. Poor thing slept through the night at 6 weeks, frontways pottytrained by 2, reading whole words by 3, best dressed baby in the church nursery, was homeschooled, Christian schooled and public schooled, won numerous awards and scholarships for his trumpet playing skills...married at 21 and 9 months and 4 days later became a dad...now has 4 little ones. Is he happy, sane and God loving, God honoring? By God's grace, yes. Was I always a happy, fulfilled, perfect, God honoring mom? NO! I was stressed OUT beyond belief. Thankfully, God held my uterus closed for nearly 9 years before allowing me to have my next child, then 2 years later, another. Now, I'm trying to instill some ideas and truths into them that they should've heard from the beginning, but I was allowing myself to be pressured by the "OLD" way. Perfection is not in my desired to be list. Permanently loved and loving, is. Jesus being Himself through us, is. Keep posting Girl...you're needed out here!
Posted 1/7/2011 9:10 PM by Richgem - recommend - reply

I've always wanted to tell you, you ROCK!!!  You are so cool in every way, in ways I've always wanted to be, in ways I think I may never manage to be, and in ways I try to be every single day, to my two sweet kids.  I love the attitude you have towards your family and kids, and how positive and devoted you are to your lucky family.  I've actually wanted to write to you asking for some tips on time-management (I know, I have two kids, I have NO idea how you do it!) but culdnt because I could not locate your email address anywhere.

I know you must get tons of emails like mine all the time, but if you could ever spare a couple of minutes to reply this, could you please just share with me how on earth do you cart around all your kids for practises and sports, and ballet and stuff?  What do you do with the other kids (especially younger ones who are unwilling/tantrumy) while you wait for that said kid to finish lessons/practise?  My going-3 is having such a hard time following me when errands needs to be done, half the time he throws a tantrum when we have to leave every afternoon to pick my older child from school that is just 5 min drive away.

I would also love tips on how you cope with your kids' unhappiness if they have to go a certain place that they dont wish to and arent old enough to be left home alone.

Sorry if my questions seems too much, I am just so very inspired by you, and believe that I will have alot to learn from you if you could share with me. :)

Posted 1/7/2011 9:49 PM by chris - recommend - reply

I was just introduced to your blog and it is a blessing. I thought I was the only one who had my boys sleep together crosswise on a bed. And boys and their smells...I can so relate! I never scheduled my babies until my last two. They came in a pair, and I found a bit of schedule helped. Well actually, I found that waking one up to eat when the other one woke up actually gave me a few hours of sleep at a time. That was about the extent of my scheduling
Blessings,
Marcia
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Ahahahahaha! The man cave! That's awesome. Love you, dear. Thanks for sharing your special moments. I'm glad blogs don't come with scents yet. ;)
Posted 1/8/2011 3:48 PM by chix0rgirl Xanga True Member - recommend - reply

This is the funnest (not funniest) post yet! Young parents can read all the books they want, IF they give them to Goodwill by the next day.
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